P2509 ECM/PCM Power Input Signal Intermittent

Technical Description of OBD-II Trouble Code

Intermittent Signal for ECM/PCM Power Input

What does that signify?

This is a generic code related to the powertrain, which applies to all vehicles that support the OBD-II protocol. However, the specific troubleshooting steps may vary depending on the vehicle.

The generic trouble code P2509 indicates an intermittent electrical signal to the Electronic Control Module (ECM), also known as the PCM or Powertrain Control Module.

The signal is not consistently within the required parameters when the ignition key is turned off. The voltage from the batteries may be low, dropping due to a power drain, or there may be a faulty connection.

A small amount of parasitic draw, typically 30 milliamps or less, is normal after the computer systems have gone to sleep or timed out. This draw is caused by the ECM memory and radio memory, but it is insignificant and does not affect battery performance.

This code is most commonly found in Dodge & Ram diesel trucks. Technical service bulletins for the Dodge/Ram Cummins diesel engine also suggest that an overcharge or undercharge condition can contribute to the occurrence of this code and its associated symptoms.

Symptoms

The symptoms of a P2509 engine code may include:

  • Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL) illuminating with P2509 DTC set
  • Difficulty starting or failure to start
  • Tachometer fluctuating between 500 to 700 rpm when idling cold
  • “Check gauges” light illuminating and voltmeter displaying 11 volts or less
  • Engine cutting off while driving
  • Additional codes P2502 – charging system error and P2503 – charging system output low may accompany the P2509 code
  • Potential Causes

    The potential causes for this DTC may include:

  • Battery failure
  • Poor connection at the batteries
  • Alternator overcharging or undercharging
  • Large voltage drop due to loose or corroded cables
  • Electrical clutch fan shorted to ground
  • Bad connection at ECM
  • Leaking diode
  • Battery + positive shorted to ground or other circuits
  • Open or return ground circuit
  • Diagnostic and Repair Procedures

    Special note for Dodge/Ram Cummins diesel owners: There is a technical service bulletin (TSB), number 18-001-07, that may be applicable to your 2006-older truck and can resolve the issue. The fix mentioned in the bulletin is to reprogram the PCM. You may also encounter the “check gauges” warning lamp and have a P2502 and/or P2503 DTC along with the P2509 code.

    Test the batteries to check their charge. Use a voltmeter and place the probes on both terminals. A fully charged battery should display a voltage of about 12.75 volts. If the batteries have a voltage lower than 12 volts, charge them before proceeding. It is pointless to check a discharged battery.

    Checking battery voltage using a digital voltmeter:
    Check battery using voltmeter

    In the case of dual batteries, if one battery has a significantly lower voltage than the other, it is likely to be faulty. The low battery is not charging at the same rate and may have one or more bad cells. If the caps are removable, remove them and check the water level in all cells. If one or more cells have a lower water level than the adjacent cells, it is likely that those cells are bad.

    Check all the cells using a hydrometer. Good cells should have a specific gravity of 12.60. If all cells have low specific gravity, it indicates a discharged battery. If one or more cells have a specific gravity lower than 12.60, it means that those cells have shorted and the battery is faulty.

    If a hydrometer is not available, use a voltmeter across the terminals of the fully charged batteries. Attempt to start the engine and note the voltage drop on both batteries. If the voltage drops below 10.5 volts, the battery is faulty. In 32-degree temperatures, the voltage should be no less than 9.5 volts.

    If the battery (or batteries) do not fully charge, they are faulty. If they are faulty under any of the above circumstances, replace them. However, that is not the end of the issue. The next question to answer is why they are discharged or faulty.

  • Check all the cables connected to the batteries for looseness and corrosion. If the batteries have taken a charge, there is either a drain or a faulty cable. Check the battery terminals and follow the cables to their ends. Ensure that they are tight and that the ground connection is secure and clean.
  • Look for broken insulation with exposed and corroded wires.
  • Start the engine and use the voltmeter to check the voltage at the battery terminals. If the voltage is less than 13.5 or more than 15 volts, it indicates a faulty regulator in the alternator. Shut down the engine and replace the alternator. If the voltage was between 13.5 and 15 volts, proceed to the next check.
  • Check for parasitic drain. This test requires a test light and voltmeter. Remove the negative terminal from one of the batteries. Make sure to turn off everything, including the glove box light. Close the doors and ensure that no circuits are active.
  • Wait for 15 minutes to allow all the systems to go to sleep. Set the voltmeter to measure amps and connect one of the test light probes to the negative battery terminal and the other wire to the red ammeter probe.
  • Connect the black ammeter probe to a good ground. There should be a draw of less than 30 milliamps. If the draw is less, stop here. If the draw is higher, disconnect the electrical clutch fan 6-pin connector and check if the draw drops. If it does, replace the clutch fan. If not, reconnect the connector and disconnect the negative cable of the opposing battery.
  • Remove the red battery cable from the rear of the alternator. Recheck the draw. If the drain drops, it indicates that one of the diodes in the alternator is leaking. Replace the alternator. If the drain does not drop, reconnect the alternator and the negative battery cable to the other battery.
  • Check the connections to the ECU if the batteries continue to drain despite everything else being in good condition. To check the ECU, look in the underhood fuse block and remove the fuse for the ECU. Recheck the draw. If the draw drops, it indicates that the ECU connectors or the computer itself is faulty. If no draw is observed, replace the fuse. Remove the test light and volt/ammeter.
  • Systematically remove one fuse at a time and check the fuse terminals with the ammeter. Any circuit with excessive draw is the defective circuit or component.
  • Professional Service Options

    When facing p2509 error, you have two solutions:

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